Европейски хуни с преобладаващ източноазиатски геном

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Напоследък излизат разни европейски хуни, много близки до хунну. Практически неразличими. Активно се обсъждат генетичните проблеми, но много рядко става дума за археологическия контекст. Тук ще поствам археологията, когато излезе някой нов, за да е събрана на едно място.

Хун VZ-12673 от Будапеща, Унгария:

In December 1961, construction workers found metal objects and horse bones during a construction
project in Vezér Street in Budapest. Workers excavated the foot end of the former burial, as well as
the horse skull and vertebrae. The complete excavation of the human skeleton and the grave was
carried out by Tibor Nagy following the discovery. The site was located on the banks of the Rákos
stream and possibly dug at a prominent point. The finds and the burial were forgotten until the 5thcentury grave was processed by Margit Nagy.
The burial was oriented in the NE–SW directions. The grave pit was 170 cm long and 90 cm wide, and
the human remains were found at a depth of 112 cm. The grave contained the remains of a young
adult male with Europid and Mongoloid characteristics on the skull, together with a partial horse burial
(only the skull and vertebrae remained), presumably placed at the feet, in front of the body of the
deceased. The workers could only have disturbed the legs and feet before the excavation. The skull
was slightly depressed, the hands resting on the pelvis. The following objects were recovered from
beside the skeleton: next to the human skeleton were the B-shaped iron buckle (on the sacrum), seven
gold mounts with garnet incrustations (between the thighs), and a small, oval iron buckle (on the inner
side of the left thigh). Unfortunately, some of the objects that were included in the documentation are
no longer to be found (a vessel fragment behind the skull; a 12 cm–long, single-edged knife; and a
disc-shaped ‘button’ next to the lower ribs on the right side of the skeleton).
The construction workers found several other artefacts in this part of the grave and in the soil they had
removed from the pit: an iron bell, a bronze bell, a horse bit, the fragment of an iron bar covered with
gold foil, and a diamond-shaped harness ornament.
The grave and its artefacts are among the few archaeological materials of the 5th century CE that can
be traced back to the nomadic traditions of Eastern Europe, of which only a few good parallels are
known from the Carpathian Basin. Apart from the objects, the burial rites (partial horse burial above
the dead, lack of weapon accessories) are closely linked to the Eastern European region, from which
we know good analogies. The finds can be dated roughly to the middle third to the middle of the 5th
century CE (D2 or D2/D3 period).

Хун MSG-1 от Муреш, Румъния:

During the construction of the bypass route between Corunca-Ernei (Mureş County, Romania),
in the course of preventive excavations, the Archaeological Department of the Mureş County
Museum discovered a Roman village and a necropolis dating from the Migration Period (according to
the funerary offerings and the funeral rites), near Sângeorgiu de Mureş. The excavations brought to
light nineteen houses, fifteen pits and three single graves. According to the archaeological material,
the settlement can be dated to the second half of the 3rd century CE and the beginning of the 4th
century CE, and the grave goods dated the cemetery to the end of 4th century CE and the beginning of
5th century CE. The graves were discovered on the upper part of the second terrace of the Terebici
River, situated in line. Two graves were located inside the village. One burial (grave no. 3 Cx. no 58)
was completely robbed, and only the mold of the human skeleton in a secondary position and remains
of wood construction on the bottom of the grave could be observed. We involved one sample in our
analysis.
Grave No. 1 was located inside the settlement, trenched in a Roman period house. It contained a partial
horse burial oriented North-South, typical for the Migration Period. Unfortunately, the grave was
robbed, and the right side of the human skeleton and a significant part of the horse skeleton was
destroyed. The preservation of human remains was relatively good, and they belonged to a young adult
male with an artificially deformed Mongoloid skull. The grave goods included a grey jug, a stemmed
goblet made of dark yellowish-green glass, a one-sided antler comb with a case decorated with
concentric circles and bronze plate, four silver rivets, an iron knife, and an inlaid golden mount (of a
dagger gripe) decorated with cloisonné technique. Although the grave goods of the deceased and the
funerary rite show strong Steppe influences, the latest date of the burial, based on the objects found in
the grave, suggests that it took place in the second half and last third of the 5th century CE.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 915v1.full

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В БГнаука подробно се обсъждаха глупостите на Игор Коломийцев от горния линк. В темата за тохарския произход, ако ти е интересно

[Thorn]

Мерси, ще я прегледам.

[Евристей]

Тоест Генетика потвърждава сведенията за първите хуни от Амиан Марцелин в които се подчертава че става въпрос за съвсем чужд и непознат народ довлякъл се от много далеч. В случаят и бай Йордан излиза точен като пише, че вместо очи хуните имали дупки и за да не е голословен, цитира Павел Орозий и Приск Тракиец
http://people.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Cou ... tml#attila XXIV глава
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Ужасният външен вид на хуните според съвременните им римо-елински хронисти не е продиктуван от омраза или сляпа тенденциозност както се опитват да се изтълкуват сведенията от някои крайни привърженици на европейския произход на хуните. Има си описания за други врагове - франките , жестоки и безстрашни със синьо-зелени очи, а не с дупки и т. н.

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Йордан намира потвърждение в още един пункт. Според него хуните са кръстоска между степни "духове" и готски жени. А генетичните изследвания показват, че почти половината хуни са идентични с черняховците.

Черняховска култура

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За мен същественото е потвърдената силна хетерогенност на изследваните групи. И трите степни народа се оказват пълна "мешана салата". При това и с далечни източно азиатски групи.

[Кухулин 2.0]

Напоследък излизат разни европейски хуни, много близки до хунну.

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Двамата от първия пост са в дясната част, до монголите. Има двама средноазиатци, единият от тях - доста северен. Останалите са типично европейско население.